Instruments and night rating

[Bennie Vorster]

Is it possible to do Instruments and night rating on a MPL.

[FAWGie]

Sadly, NO !!!

[Smiley]

Is it possible overseas??

[Morph]

From all the various aviation forums I have been on, I don't know of anywhere in the world where it is allowed.

[Cali]

Not allowed in USA for sure.

I don't think it's allowed anywhere.

Why would you want to fly at night if you can't see anything anyway?

[Bennie Vorster]

So if you do it on PPL and put the instruments needed in a microlight?

[Greg]

Hi all
seen it done on a gyro at petit.
These guys were doing power line inspection at night.
I know they got permission from caa.

[Morph]

I think you would still have a problem. If the plane is registered as a microlight it is illegal to fly at night irrespective to whether you have the qrating or instruments. If you registered it as a light aircraft (uncertified) it might be different but then you would have to be a qualified PPL with night rating and the full set of instruments.

[Smiley]

Why would you want to fly at night if you can't see anything anyway?

Hello guys

I've been very fortunate to spend a number of hours in the air at night, flying in a Cessna and Cherokee. It's true, you can't see anything as you would flying during the day, but flying at night brings a whole new dimension to your flying.

Being earth bound you only experience one dimension, flying you experience another, and if you start flying at night you will discover a 3rd dimension not to be missed.

Flying past Jo'burg CBD at night is very scenic with all the little lights. If you ever get the chance to fly at night, grab it with both hands!! :D :D

[Bennie Vorster]

If that coule be done:




07|07|2004 - Cheetah Approved for PPL Training & Hour-building
The Cheetah has been approved by South African CAA for
full PPL training and hourbuilding towards CPL.


We just need to find the loop hole here.

[Bennie Vorster]

Why would you want to fly at night if you can't see anything anyway?

Working away from home a lot and want to return in the dark rather than staying over.

[justin.schoeman]

It is actually very tricky... To fly IF/night, the aircraft must be IF certified, which generally means a certified aerie, with certified instumentation - BOTH, not only instruments. The CAA does issue special IF permission for ferry flights and such, but is unlikely to allow anything else (certainly not recreational flying).

-justin

[RV4ker (RIP)]

I am told it is possible to reg NTCA for night. I am going to get my RV4 a night VFR Auth to Fly in Feb when current one expires and will advise as to process etc. It is however reg's as plane and not ML. I do not know of ML that is reg'd fr night VFR, but can't see why it can't be? I can't see why any aircraft can not be issued with a night VFR auth to Fly as long as pilot realises the inherrint dangers and aircraft has required equipment. Landing Lights at airfield are also a problem. not many of the smaller airfields where ML's operate from have lights.

Hennie
I often fly home after work arriving well after dark and it saves me a truckload of time... (1 hr night flight vs 4 hr Taxi dodgems)

2c

PS
With the new part 96 (NTCA commercials ops) and MPL comm on horizon I think night ops in ML category aeries are not far off. Night flying is not difficult, simply "slightly" more challenging if the donkey stops. Issues relating to reliable power plants I think would be biggest limiting factor, but once Jabi's are allowed to do night VFR I can not see why it can not be issued by CAA on a case by case casis. IFin NTCA is possible, but is a tedious process and instrument redundancy is a huge factor. It would not be cost effective in ML, but night VFR with one of the new (cheapish) EFIS systems availble I can't see why not?

Real test of nerve is when it a moonless nigh and no lights or visible horizon.

PPS
I assume Police Bantam will be allowed to do night ops or are baddies gonna restrict their ops to day VFR only. i think that demand will dictate and ML's inherrint benefits (cost, ease of use, viz, speed etc) will cause a rething if driven by the users (US)

[FAWGie]

Several Jabiru J4XXX models have a night VFR Authority to fly. The CAA ruling in each case was that the aircraft must be factory built and AMO maintained and obviously flown by a night rated PPL pilot.

Currently there is no night rating for MPL license category and therefore any aircraft registered as a microlight will not be able to get a VFR by night Authority to fly.... unless the same aircraft is registered as a light aircraft in NTCA......

[Duck Rogers]

....Night flying is not difficult, simply "slightly" more challenging if the donkey stops....

Very true. If the engine stops, put the nose down, switch on the landing lights and if you don't like what you see, switch them off again....

Duck Rogers