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THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:36 pm
by Flooi
The best (LSA) most affordable for SA conditions?

Another can of worms.....

I vote for a Bushbaby Explorer with a Jab 3300!

Why?

Local production and backup
Tried and tested
Resale value
Great for dirt strips
STOL performance
Handles great
Affordable
With the Jab3300:
Affordable
Power
Great maintenance backup service
Performace
2000 TBO

Nou gaan ek raas kry!
(Behalwe van Boet)

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:12 pm
by RV4ker (RIP)
I think it depends on mission and budget.
I split roughly as follows....
<R200K - VW & 503 types (incl. maybe some of the older 582's) - Cubby, Bush baby, Cheetah, Beaver, Piet, etc.
<R350K - Big competition in this area. New 582's vs bottom end of the 912's - all of the above just bigger engines or newer.
<R500K - All the new 912's and maybe a 914 here....
HOW MUCH???? (plastic fantastics like Flamingo, Samba, Sting etc. Awesome aeries but the Euro exchange rate is not doing them any favours...)

No budget I would got for Flamingo or Sting or WT9. (prob Flamingo since I have flown in 1 and it slightly more comfi for me than the sting Carbon RG. never been in WT9, but looks nice as well....)

<R500K - Bush baby with a Rotec Radial engine :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: or the Jabi SPT with 3300 engine....

<R350K - Bush baby with Jab or new BMW engine or outside chance of older 912ULS BB/Cheetah...

<R200K - Cubby and R50K fuel money vs anything else out there......

If I did not have to build it the RV12, Rans and the CH601 would also feature....

The 701/savanah is also an awesome aerie - I just never had the need for 1.... if mission is short rough stuff (like bakkie) then this is impossible to beat. Wish they made it in taillie.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:45 am
by Boet
Flooi, jou bek verdien jam!! (^^) (^^) (^^) (^^) (^^) (^^) (^^)

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:46 am
by Boet
I think an explorer with the Jab 3300 would be the ultimate...... vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy vhpy

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:16 am
by Sukkelaar
What about the new Sling :o :o

regards

Sukkelaar

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:24 am
by Flooi
If you have R1.6M plus tax, you can buy a new Sportsman, BUT
If you are just a normal person who has to budget for his groceries,
and if you want something that can do a bit of everything....

remember that very few pleasure aviators fly long distances at regular intervals...
so why an Explorer; taildragger?

South Africa has many more dirt strips than prepared runways.
The Explorer is good for around the patch as well as a long trip
It does not cost an arm and a leg
If you enjoy pain; you can build it yourself
If bent- easy to repair

Why a Jab3300?
I have a Jab J430 and I can tell you the engine is simply the best.
I have owned Continental, Rotax 582, 912, 912X and 912S and VW powered aeries
and have a host of other aeries on my licence..... and the Rotax with all that plumbing
and gearbox is good for what is was designed for: Snowmobiles!
The service that I get from Legair, the Jabiru guys- is far above notch in all ways.

I had a taildragger Bushbaby with a 912extra. Loved the aerie and hated the Rattex with
all my heart.

The Jab J430 is great and I love it- but lacks the dirt STOL dirt strip ability of lighter taildraggers.

Courses for horses; - many will have different tastes. This is just an opinion, but for
a low budget pleasure flying machine that can do a bit of everything- I'll vote for the
Explorerer with a night rated panel and a Jab3300! ($$) ($$) ($$)

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:39 am
by Massimo
And what will that set you back?

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:24 pm
by Flooi
Massimo wrote:And what will that set you back?
Will see what Boet has to say...........

Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jFLlUNaCrg

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:01 pm
by Boet
Soos ek tereg gese het: The ultimate. My hart pomp custard. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Waar kan ek n goedkoop 3300 Jab enjin in die hande kry? :shock: Flooi, kontak my op 082 8041896

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:12 pm
by RV4ker (RIP)
Stefan het geweet van een vir <R120 so n ruk terug... Nie "goedkoop nie, maar nie so veel soos n nuwe een nie...

Check by Jabi in George. hulle kry so af en toe te hore van een....

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:24 pm
by KFA
Die woord "hoendertande" comes to mind. I don't know of any available at the moment. A brand new Explorer with a Jabi 3300 with a analogue panel, radio and headsets will set you back approx R370-R380k excl VAT. Full glass cocpit in the region of R400-420k depending on options requested. These prices are factory build fly-away. Engine prices are linked to exchange rate. A new six will be approx R120-125k excl VAT

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:56 pm
by Flooi
KFA wrote:Die woord "hoendertande" comes to mind. I don't know of any available at the moment. A brand new Explorer with a Jabi 3300 with a analogue panel, radio and headsets will set you back approx R370-R380k excl VAT. Full glass cocpit in the region of R400-420k depending on options requested. These prices are factory build fly-away. Engine prices are linked to exchange rate. A new six will be approx R120-125k excl VAT
Told you so. Even with the extra's-- still much much less than the composites and the blikkies like the Technam.
(^^)

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:00 pm
by Stephan van Tonder
Do a search on the internet - every once in a while you'll see a 2nd hand one in Aus and the last time I looked there was one for which would have worked out around R55k

Like this one too. Remeber Aus $ around 6:1
http://www.forpilots.com/archive/rec.av ... /msg17.htm

Another one here - http://www.jabiru.net.au/forsalebodyFrame-1.htm

3300 engine
Complete 130hrs with sensinich 10hr fixed pitch prop for sale asking 14000.00 for the both.
Wal 0428469416

or here
http://www.myplane.com/ad/1922

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:09 pm
by caneco
.....THE SLING WHIT R1100GS BMW ENGINE....

Re: THE BEST AIRCRAFT?

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:13 pm
by John Boucher
That Rans S7 with Jab3300 climbs like a homesick angel! (-)

Also sounds like an aeroplane!