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Postby Wargames » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:17 pm

BAD NAV wrote:Hi Chunky

Issue 1 - I will continously moan about the crank and 300 hours as you have noticed a lot of us are... You are obviously not affected by this so you do have R 37000 to toss around! :x

Issue 2 - Sorry to disappoint you, but I do have a PPL! :)
But please, Stop Bitching !
...... and NO, I won't stop bitching!
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Postby Chunky » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:10 pm

Guys...

R37k is alot of money for anyone especially me. The point I am trying to make is the rules are now being enforced and they are not going to change.

Either we start making a plan to get the new crank or we have to stop flying. R37k is not really alot if you think about all the fun you going to have.

There must be a valid reason why Rotax has a 300 hour crank limit. And this is the reason why CAA are enforcing it.
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Postby Bacardi » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:48 am

Rotax, like Bateman, FLS, Polysius, Elex, Barlow Cats, bla bla bla, will write a PROPOSED maintenance schedule for their products to cover themselves to some extent, mostly heavily overrated. Rotax exonerate themselves in ALL aspects by a principal declaration that their product is prone to sudden stoppage that may result in injury or death, old story, but herein lies the crux.

Even the strictest enforcement of their proposals will not bypass the sticker on their product container. Follow all recommendations but take note that you are still risking your hide at your own discretion.

I was informed that you can lately purchase a BRS chute suitable for a microlight for about R14000, even less if bulk ordered. Why not rather regulate compulsory installation of a chute at say 300 hrs, or, for that matter, on ALL microlights, irrespective of hours. You will still have the odd case, as per history, where a chute will be deployed unnecessarily with resultant minor damages to aircraft, rather than executing a safe forced landing as per pilot training. Other than catering for the unlikely chance that your crankshaft will pack up, you will then also cover events like structural failure in flight and.

Just a thought.
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Postby John Boucher » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:35 am

.... and in the BLUE CORNER - BAD "the verocious" NAV :lol:
There must be a valid reason why Rotax has a 300 hour crank limit. And this is the reason why CAA are enforcing it.
Chunky, this is not an acceptable statement! It's like comparing the situation re. the video made at UFS to 5 skroefkoppe raping a 21 year old woman - the relevance you ask? The powers that be are more concerned about a staged racial issue than the REAL issue of violent crime!

The point I'm trying to make - ask CAA how many accidents with fatalities have been recorded in SA or worldwide for that matter which can be attributed to CRANK failure due to exceeding the 300hr mark as opposed to pilot error, fuel & weather, mechanical failure other than the crank. :idea:

DON"T SCRATCH WHERE IT DON"T ITCH SIR! :?

Oh, by the way - what have you done to alleviate or solve the problem and in your words -
am an Aero Club Approved Person, under the new Aero Club ARO, and I am rated for both repairs and inspection etc., etc., and I have never, never, ever, heard of this ruddy manual you now bring up.
It is now crystal clear..... :wink:
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Postby Chunky » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:42 pm

BAD NAV wrote:.... and in the BLUE CORNER - BAD "the verocious" NAV :lol:
There must be a valid reason why Rotax has a 300 hour crank limit. And this is the reason why CAA are enforcing it.
Chunky, this is not an acceptable statement! It's like comparing the situation re. the video made at UFS to 5 skroefkoppe raping a 21 year old woman - the relevance you ask? The powers that be are more concerned about a staged racial issue than the REAL issue of violent crime!

The point I'm trying to make - ask CAA how many accidents with fatalities have been recorded in SA or worldwide for that matter which can be attributed to CRANK failure due to exceeding the 300hr mark as opposed to pilot error, fuel & weather, mechanical failure other than the crank. :idea:

DON"T SCRATCH WHERE IT DON"T ITCH SIR! :?

Oh, by the way - what have you done to alleviate or solve the problem and in your words -
am an Aero Club Approved Person, under the new Aero Club ARO, and I am rated for both repairs and inspection etc., etc., and I have never, never, ever, heard of this ruddy manual you now bring up.
It is now crystal clear..... :wink:
Simple, I bought a new one.
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Postby Morph » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:44 pm

Chunky wrote:When you bought this engine surely you knew about the 300 hour 5 year issue ?????

Get used to it, its not going to change. either change thecrank or stop flying.

But please, Stop Bitching !!!!!
Actually Chunky, although the recommended maintenance schedule has always been there, it was just that "recommended". By deliberately ignoring this recommendation and practically flying the engines to distruction in some cases, it was proved without a doubt that the cranks last a hell of a lot longer than recommended by the manufacturer.

This leads me to two trains of thought.
1. The manufaturer did not do their initial stress testing correctly or
2. The manufacturer intentionally altered their manuals to increase sales of their crank shafts and other engine components.

Now with the advantage of hindsight we (the engine owners)can safely and accurately predict the best replacement schedule for these components.

I have said this before, I refuse to piss R37000 unneccesarily against a wall simply because it is the only way I can continue flying. It is blackmail from the highest order.

How would you feel if the South African government insisted by law that you replace the entire roof of your house every 5 years, even though there is absolutely no reason to do it. Would you say,
Get used to it, its not going to change
or would you as house owner fight against this unneccessary regulation.
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Postby Chunky » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:06 pm

Valid Point Morph.

Its a hard pill to swallow but you gonna have to do it. The rule is being implimented and will continue to do so.

The way I see it is you can either bitch and moan and not fly, or change the crank and carry on as per usual.

37K is alot of money but its not going to kill you.
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Postby Rudix » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:21 pm

Chunky wrote:Valid Point Morph.

Its a hard pill to swallow but you gonna have to do it. The rule is being implimented and will continue to do so.

The way I see it is you can either bitch and moan and not fly, or change the crank and carry on as per usual.

37K is alot of money but its not going to kill you.
I think it is because of this defeatist attitude that there are so many things wrong in our country, we should fight for our rights !!

Just paying the R37k is the easy way out :evil: If we just accept it what will be next ? History is full of cases of nations not standing up for their rights with terrible consequences.......
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Postby Chunky » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:31 pm

Personaly I dont think its a bad thing.

They need to tighten up a bit. To much junk in the air.
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Postby Rudix » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:55 pm

Chunky wrote:Personaly I dont think its a bad thing.

They need to tighten up a bit. To much junk in the air.
Hmmmmm, not to sure how to take that statement !

I have seen PLENTY TCA "junk" as well, maybe we should only allow new, expensive planes in the air ??

You changed your tune quite a bit hey :?:
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Postby John Boucher » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:11 pm

-xX Thin ice Chunky - How many of the okes flying here or frequenting this forum know who you are.... your opinions are not good for business especially regarding with a statement like TOO MUCH JUNK OUT THERE or pray do tell sir, do you work for CAA regarding the get used it, it aint going to change statement? What do you know contrary to all the efforts being made - some inside info?

By the way, I sincerely hope that you aren't the chap that I intended taking my engine to. In that case it can sit on the plane and pit. I am going to spend R 37000 rand YES... but it's not going to be on a ROTAX! #-0

Agree with Rudi re. TCA junk floating around...

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Postby John Boucher » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:26 pm

Simple I bought a new one.
A new manual or a reman-crank?

Morph :idea: - time for phpBB version 3.0
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Friends/Foe List: Version 2: NO Version 3: YES :lol:

I'm sure you've been on AVCOM too much Chunky! :wink:
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Postby DieselFan » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:20 pm

Chunky wrote: Get used to it, its not going to change. either change thecrank or stop flying.
Those options are too limiting.

Chunky wrote:Personaly I dont think its a bad thing.

They need to tighten up a bit. To much junk in the air.
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Based on your previous posts and general tone of them, I too would like to know your real name and what is you do?
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Postby Arnulf » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:59 pm

DieselFan wrote:
Chunky wrote: Get used to it, its not going to change. either change thecrank or stop flying.
Those options are too limiting.

Chunky wrote:Personaly I dont think its a bad thing.

They need to tighten up a bit. To much junk in the air.
-xX

Based on your previous posts and general tone of them, I too would like to know your real name and what is you do?
Dieselfan: I can't answer your first question. But on the second question, possibly chunky likes fishing when he gets bored. I also sometimes do that with other aviation forums when I am bored. Can be quite funny. :lol:
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Postby John Boucher » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:55 pm

Fly-fishing perhaps :oops: :?:
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