Ramp Check= Aviation killer

[peterb]

As Arthur and Chris are in close proximity of each other at CAA maybe they should reach some sort of consensus and formalise the lists so that all inspectors can be on the same page - there is nothing more frustrating than when one receives mixed instructions or requirements from the same department!

John we are dealing with humans here. You will find a spietkop with a power trip that follows the rules to the letter, he will even give his wife a fine and at the end of the month he will pay the fine himself. each catagory aircfaft should have its own spietkop (WCM) (CCM) (GYR) (LSA) and that spietkop must write an exam to qualify in his catagory. Because this current situation is going to kill a wonderfull sport. I have heard of guys that want to get out. IT is not fun arriving at an airfeild to have a wonderfull day of flying and there is a spietkop walking around with his clipboard on a fault finding mission. Maybe CAA must do personallity tests on there spietkops to see whether they suffer from the small man small dic*& syndrome.

[Goffel]

As I said in my previous posting...jyut give me time to get back to the office in a weeks time and get all the laws, flaws and exemptions etc onto a proper page that I can understand and then I will post everything.

The fire extinguisher and 1st aid kit seem to be the biggest bug-bear that people have....have faith....WE will sort it out.

Documentation / licence etc is a must.....but the rest we wil sort out.

Did a ramp on Morph's Bushbaby yesterday, (at his request, whilst wearing my shorts, T-shirt, plakkies and a motor cycle helmet, (just in case)), .........

I have to commend Morph on his way of putting together all the docs in an A5 binder, (and all certified)....it was really great....I think he is going to get a patent out and then sell the idea to the rest of us...(except he lost his buddy's pen).

Deamon.....yes, I think your request is a good idea...I wil phone youy asap.

Goffel....lying on the beach.

[Boet]

Jaaaaaa swaer. As die ouens nie BAAAAIIE vriendeliker raak nie, gaan hulle later boggerall customers oorhe nie. Goffel, dankie vir jou positiewe insette. Maar ek dink jy is meer welkom in jou kortbroek, Tshirt en plakkies....... en maar die crash helmet vir in case. I think the main problem lies in 2 places. 1.All inspectors NOT being on the same page, and 2. the "them and us" attitude. If we can get rid of those two problem aereas, we are nearly there. Fly safe guys. Big brother is watching.

[John Boucher]

So you finally decide to break your silence on this thread you bugger! Looks like that Yaris is giving you withdrawal symptoms and humour failure! Time to chill Boet!

[Boet]

I am trying to chill me mate, but my battery has been pissed apon by some beurocrat, big time. I am so de moer in.dontevenwannatalkaboutit. BAD DAY.

[John Boucher]

Don't stress ol' bush baby.... we luv ya to bits!

[Oupa-G]

1200 hits and five pages and a CAA inspector involved that must be a record. That just shows how interested the guys are in actually being legal and safe. There are some monkeys that are stupid enough that actually want to kill them-selves . Wonderful to have Goffel on board luckily I have no problem with the Bosvark can't get a proving flight authorisation still answering many questions I have the help of Monty of Bushbaby fame to help me he is closer to CAA head office. When finished I will get Morph's A5 file and Goffel's input and go from there. I still have to see the value of a certified copy, why not just a copy of the papers. If the person has photoshop his papers then has it certified
then how do you check. Is it not better if we just have copies and if the inspector feels there is something fishy he has the contacts to check a persons records then he can really clamp down because then he is dealing with a crook. Make it easy, make it friendly, make it relaxed, and the Microlighters will respond with a level of sincereness that this selected group is capable of. There is no better equipped person then a "motivated enthusiastic self regulated amateur" If we can build aeroplanes surely we can also do the sensible things as long as our inspectors do not inspect us under part 135 but stick to the rules for NTCA. We have had part135 inspections at the RedX that is a different ballgame. There was a time in CAA where the difference was not realised. Remember the Lycoming Continental 12 year rule. Goffel welcome.


Cheers Oupa-G

[Boet]

Haloooooo!!! This is your CUSTUMORS speaking.

[Low Level]

Haloooooo!!! This is your CUSTUMORS speaking.

As I said in my previous posting...jyut give me time to get back to the office in a weeks time and get all the laws, flaws and exemptions etc onto a proper page that I can understand and then I will post everything.

Genade Boet. Wie hét jou gat so gekrap ???

[Boet]

Donwannatalkaboutit.

[Wargames]

Donwannatalkaboutit.

Are you maybe missingtheanimal??

[Grumpy]

Donwannatalkaboutit.

Are you maybe missingtheanimal??

and now you jus dikdebliksemin.!!

[PastMaster]

This is all good and well but Halon and or powder , will it really make a differance??( and what size: 1kg., 1.5 kg, 5kg) depends on what is burning!!!

And remember, aluminium, once it is burning, cannot be put out with class A, B, C, D Extinguishers!

If a fire break out while staring the trike, or after landing, i can understand.
But while flying???? a differant story!!

Does this say we all have to go and do a Fire safty course on how to use the Fire Extinguisher and get a certificate????

What are we going to do if the trike cathes fire in air??????????, reach over and get the Extinguisher?

So it seems there are more than 1 senario here.

There are so many differant manufacture's of trike,s who is going to tell us where to drill holes into the airfarme to fit this Extinguisher?
And if you have a hard landing, and the Extinguisher comes loose, and strike the pax or prop, who is to blame then (*CAA,RAASA)

Can RAASA clear this up for us. I like the way they think about being practical as well, and rememr, this is done with safty in mind .

My last bit: it must be practical!!!!, not everyone has pannier bags, or seats with zips to put the Extinguisher in.

I have one always at hand at the hanger( Die hard Landrover Fan)

[Arnulf]

This is all good and well but Halon and or powder , will it really make a differance??( and what size: 1kg., 1.5 kg, 5kg) depends on what is burning!!!

And remember, aluminium, once it is burning, cannot be put out with class A, B, C, D Extinguishers!

If a fire break out while staring the trike, or after landing, i can understand.
But while flying???? a differant story!!

Does this say we all have to go and do a Fire safty course on how to use the Fire Extinguisher and get a certificate????

What are we going to do if the trike cathes fire in air??????????, reach over and get the Extinguisher?

So it seems there are more than 1 senario here.

There are so many differant manufacture's of trike,s who is going to tell us where to drill holes into the airfarme to fit this Extinguisher?
And if you have a hard landing, and the Extinguisher comes loose, and strike the pax or prop, who is to blame then (*CAA,RAASA)

Can RAASA clear this up for us. I like the way they think about being practical as well, and rememr, this is done with safty in mind .

My last bit: it must be practical!!!!, not everyone has pannier bags, or seats with zips to put the Extinguisher in.

I have one always at hand at the hanger( Die hard Landrover Fan)

If we need fire extinuishers on trikes, could somebody please give an indication how many lives were lost because of fires breaking out during the operation of trikes, and no fire extinguishers being available to extingish these fires.

Regards,
Arnulf

[German]

The more I read, the more flaws I get.......please give me a couple of days to sort out wording and laws...Dont all run out and buy Halon extinguishers..(I am in Part 135, so now am having to do some seeeeeerious reading).

All I can say is as far as extinguishers and 1st Aid kits go, use common sense, and carry one...just think of your children flying in that a/c...you would want the best for them.

At least we are are going to sort this out properly what is needed and what is not.

Much thanks for your patience.

Goffel.

Arnulf

Julle is soos n klomp ou vrouens.Hoe gaan jy voel as jou trike op die grond aan die brand slaan en jy het nie n brandblusser nie EN DIT STEEK NOG N KLOMP AERIES/GOED AAN DIE BRAND?
"COMMON SENSE"