What to buy ?

[emil]

before you make up your mind...when you come for the bantam flip i will take you up in the sting...any time of the day...and then make up your mind

What bothers me with the Sting is the short life expectancy of the airframe, as low at 1000 h according to some sources ! That plus the price and low wing config rules it out in my mind.

Safe flying,
Rudi

mmmm so that means the new A380 will also only do a 1000 h as they both are 99 %carbon fiber.....

and more..not to many micros can do this

The Sting really is the fastest Czech Ultralight and its maximum speed in horizontal flight of about 285 km/h and its not definitely the last word. Interresting is also speed of flight from minimum 63 km/h to insuperable speed 305 km/h which gives pilots of all abilities the opportunity to operate within their skill levels and to fly from grass strips or tarmac.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Sting is awesome little performer, but exchange rate is hurting at moment. Last time I check price with Emmie it was well over R400K excluding VAT, Ship, Glass etc.....

[Rudix]

before you make up your mind...when you come for the bantam flip i will take you up in the sting...any time of the day...and then make up your mind

What bothers me with the Sting is the short life expectancy of the airframe, as low at 1000 h according to some sources ! That plus the price and low wing config rules it out in my mind.

Safe flying,
Rudi

mmmm so that means the new A380 will also only do a 1000 h as they both are 99 %carbon fiber.....

and more..not to many micros can do this

The Sting really is the fastest Czech Ultralight and its maximum speed in horizontal flight of about 285 km/h and its not definitely the last word. Interresting is also speed of flight from minimum 63 km/h to insuperable speed 305 km/h which gives pilots of all abilities the opportunity to operate within their skill levels and to fly from grass strips or tarmac.

No, the 1000h has nothing to do with Carbon Fibre ! But it does have plenty to do with the epoxy used and fatique, the 1000 h's is according to the manufacturer himself !

99% carbon fibre ????? I don't think so........ Carbon is a fantastic material but there are many places where other materials like Kevlar are superior, anyway, you have way more than 1% epoxy in the laminate

Still an impressive plane but as with everything in life you pay for it somewhere, here it is an airframe that is not as strong as it could be to save weight and up performance and thus lowers the expected life.

Rudi

[TanyaK]

before you make up your mind...when you come for the bantam flip i will take you up in the sting...any time of the day...and then make up your mind

Thanks Emil but I think I will skip the Sting, it is not the right config for bush flying or photography ! And then we have the price

Regards,
Tanya

[emil]

to be honest i think you dont know what you are talking about...

when you have time come pick up a dvd with all the test they have done ..and you will see it is tronger than plenty other carbon planes...and for sure there is some kevlar and other stuff in there as well...

[TanyaK]

Sting is awesome little performer, but exchange rate is hurting at moment. Last time I check price with Emmie it was well over R400K excluding VAT, Ship, Glass etc.....

Hi RV,

Yes, I think it is a great plane but not what we want, also the price is WAY overboard at the moment !

Kind Regards,
Tanya

[RV4ker (RIP)]

to be honest i think you dont know what you are talking about...

Easy now bud. The Sting is great, but it is not the ideal bush plane for the objectives stated above and it is expensive. Bit like buying a Lancruiser VX when a Prado/Double Cab will do....

FACTS. In bush High wing is almost always better, tailwheel is usually better, ground clearance is a factor, downward viz is usually better if wing not in way, etc etc.

Keep it clean.....

2c

[emil]

RV i was talking about rudis post and the strenght of the fuss...not about the bush plane....for sure sting is built for speed..and a comfy ride not to fly into bush strips...but then again the person that buys a plane like s asting is like buying a ferarie you wont want to fly into a bush strip

[Rudix]

to be honest i think you dont know what you are talking about...

when you have time come pick up a dvd with all the test they have done ..and you will see it is tronger than plenty other carbon planes...and for sure there is some kevlar and other stuff in there as well...

Yes mister wise guy, like you know what you talk about, I am sure you won't even know Kevlar if it bites you in the backside

So what is your backgound in aviation, any formal training ? Maybe some degree in aeronautics ?

You are not listening to what I am saying ! I have no problem with Carbon fibre, THAT IS NOT WHAT DETERMINES A PLANES LIFE TIME BUT, what about the epoxy used ? Do YOU understand how a laminate works ? And what determines the life of an airframe ? Fatique ? The effects of UV on epoxy ?

So if there is Kevlar and "other stuff" in there as well is it 99% carbon ?????? Anyway, wasting my time with you, should know that by now

[TanyaK]

RV i was talking about rudis post and the strenght of the fuss...not about the bush plane....for sure sting is built for speed..and a comfy ride not to fly into bush strips...but then again the person that buys a plane like s asting is like buying a ferarie you wont want to fly into a bush strip

Ok Emil, point taken but I did ask for a bush plane and a plane suitable for photography ! ! !

So, the Sting does not fit my needs !

Please guys (Emil and Rudi), lets not start this AGAIN !

Tanya

[emil]

to be honest i think you dont know what you are talking about...

when you have time come pick up a dvd with all the test they have done ..and you will see it is tronger than plenty other carbon planes...and for sure there is some kevlar and other stuff in there as well...

Yes mister wise guy, like you know what you talk about, I am sure you won't even know Kevlar if it bites you in the backside

So what is your backgound in aviation, any formal training ? Maybe some degree in aeronautics ?

You are not listening to what I am saying ! I have no problem with Carbon fibre, THAT IS NOT WHAT DETERMINES A PLANES LIFE TIME BUT, what about the epoxy used ? Do YOU understand how a laminate works ? And what determines the life of an airframe ? Fatique ? The effects of UV on epoxy ?

So if there is Kevlar and "other stuff" in there as well is it 99% carbon ?????? Anyway, wasting my time with you, should know that by now

ja ja boet.......

so by the way het jy gesien ek het jou geantwoord en gese die verste wat ek SELF al gevlieg het was van fisantekraal af hier heen en jy SELF hoe ver het jy al gevlieg...

en en ja ons het boeke en boeke oor compisate en het meeste al gelees...en het met mense gepraat wat op n kursus was net oor die sting so asb kry jou feite reg

[RV4ker (RIP)]

RV i was talking about rudis post and the strenght of the fuss...not about the bush plane....for sure sting is built for speed..and a comfy ride not to fly into bush strips...but then again the person that buys a plane like s asting is like buying a ferarie you wont want to fly into a bush strip

Cool. When I did sting feasibility for my mission, there was no mention of structural life. Some of the Jabi's I have seen have over 2000hrs on them and are used in training environment so would be surprised in life is only 1000hrs... I would expect at least 10X than as min...

Yes Sting is sim to Shumi van of the ski.... Now if I could just find a justifyable business use for one....

[RV4ker (RIP)]

E&R
Just an observation.. Seems you guys have some issues and may be more prudent to resolve or agree to disagree rather than "sling" on public forum. Although entertaining no one really wins and you end up sometimes making a bit of a box or yourself....

just my thoughts.....

PS
Don't know either of you and not wanting to get involved, just an observation....

[Rudix]

RV i was talking about rudis post and the strenght of the fuss...not about the bush plane....for sure sting is built for speed..and a comfy ride not to fly into bush strips...but then again the person that buys a plane like s asting is like buying a ferarie you wont want to fly into a bush strip

You are making assumptions here (and showing how little you know), the "problem" (more a limitation) is not the fuss, it is the wing spars, wing skin (due to the structure that makes use of the skin for strength) and the tail assembly, these are the components that must be inspected/replaced at 1000h ! Still a gray area but not a chance I would like to take considering the price of the plane.

I am going to be in the area of the factory in a week's time and I will go look at it and discuss the matter with them.

[Rudix]

en en ja ons het boeke en boeke oor compisate en het meeste al gelees...en het met mense gepraat wat op n kursus was net oor die sting so asb kry jou feite reg

'n Duidelike bewys dat as iemand 'n boek lees dit hom nie 'n ekspert maak nie