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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby johnsa » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:21 pm

Wargames wrote:I have seen such a bad state of a plane, and sure would never climb in one. I'd rather walk.

The sad story is that many people will have second thoughts before they climb into a aircraft again. At least it looks like that they will get what they deserve!!


Don't worry today its a hype in 2 weeks time only the parents remember and there will be new news on the net, think about it not a lot of people have a memory those days and news is happening every minute today its hot tommorow its news in 2 weeks time nobody knows unless we keep this treat alive puff
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby John Boucher » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:12 am

Not quite sure about that John....

The programme raises eyebrows and focusses attention on flight schools and their operations. I am curious how this school had passed it's previous audits? It also lends a negative light to the training industry in SA. What I find questionable is that this was allowed to continue. The instructors at the school (not the owner's son) should have mad work of this at CAA or, is something amiss here.... does this run deeper than what meets the eye?

Aviaiton though at the end of the day gets the bad rap and in our circles it doesn't just pass i'm afraid.
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Stephan van Tonder » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:43 am

What kind of bothers me is the fact that they maintained their own aircraft throught their own AMO - doesn't that kind of kill the checks and balances from an Audit point of view. Perhaps that is something the CAA should be looking at. Eish half of the airplanes had smooth tyres and not correctly working fuel gauges - just makes one wonder a bit. Sad about the girl with the 2 guys. I agree about choosing who you let your family fly with but surely if you gave a guy his license you should be able to recommend him to people as a pilot should'nt you?.
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:48 am

One word...

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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Sox » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:57 am

Attitude, Checks and Balances!
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Tailspin » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:03 am

This is actually very sad.

I really feel for the Father that lost a Child.
I am waiting to see the bun fight on Avcom about this.

I did not see Carte Blanche but i read the whole story on their site. Sends chills up my Spine.
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Smiley » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:36 am

I did my radio license with them, but very sad to see their operation ethics.... :evil: :evil:

Condolences to the family who lost their daughter :cry: :cry:
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Low Level » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:10 am

RV4ker wrote:PS
Missed the show. Any idea if it a repeat at some stage?
This will definately be repeated on Carte Blanche's viewers choice on Thursday evening.

Must say it is shocking - RFA owner's attitude most of all.

........but to let your daughter go on a 3 hr nav flight with two Nigerians you have just met #-0
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Splinter » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:25 am

Smiley wrote:I did my radio license with them, but very sad to see their operation ethics.... :evil: :evil:

Condolences to the family who lost their daughter :cry: :cry:
You sure you DID your radio license with them......????? Feeling guilty about something Smiley???? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby johnsa » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:38 am

Smiley if you are not sure if the training was done correctly just redo it nobody will know unless you share it with us (^^)
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Thatchman » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:45 am

I am sure that the parents will think about the fact that they allowed the daughter on the plane for the rest of their lives.

It is a scary issue though. How many times have we all taken a pax for their first flight and nobody asks how experienced you are or if the Wx is ok. People trust blindy in this regard. He has a license so it must be safe. A low hour pilot should be capable to fly but only within his limited envelope of conditions at that time.

Very sad that an innocent child paid the price for what looks like gross negligence of the worst possible kind.
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby Smiley » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:07 am

Splinter wrote:
Smiley wrote:I did my radio license with them, but very sad to see their operation ethics.... :evil: :evil:

Condolences to the family who lost their daughter :cry: :cry:
You sure you DID your radio license with them......????? Feeling guilty about something Smiley???? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby John Boucher » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:25 am

As you all know, I am affiliated to Kimberley Flying School as Safety Officer.... Here are some thoughts:

Our school has it's CAA audit every year in February. The audit document leaves NO STONE UNTURNED in the operations of the school.
Everything gets checked - from fire extinguishers,stripes,first aid kits,maintenance schedule,instructor validity,MOP's,visual hands on check of aircraft - you name it, it gets done! IF things are not right, you receive 30 days to correct and if not, your school operation certificate is revoked! Certain things do break overnight but the physical state of the aircraft shown was due to maintenance neglect eg. bushes on yolk! I do not allow an aeroplane to take off if it is not airworthy or safe to fly! The serious snags affecting flight gets sorted out and that's that!

I have few questions:

1. Who did the audit on that school and allowed it to stay operational ... Is something afoot here?
2. Who did the audit on the AMO side? (Hand in hand with question 1)
3. Why did the instructors of the school not take action - they were prepared to do training in such delapidated aircraft?
4. Were the eyebrows raised only after the accident off runway 35 or has there been an ongoing investigation?
5. If there was an ongoing investigation, how could CAA then have allowed normal operations to take place?
6. Yes, the operator is to blame - no question about that but what to what extent is CAA (or its inspectors) to blame?
7. Many moons ago I challenged the fact that certain aviation affiliated persons worked for CAA - CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

Just asking before I get nailed to the wall! :wink:
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby BOATCH » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:16 pm

I just wonder if the sipplier of the money that was used as n bribe dit not come from someone that had other intensions with the ppl, maybe to get some stuff in or out of the country. I am sure the bribe money dit not stay the same at eatch school that he tried.One instr mensioned 200.000 but is that where it stopped.Just a thaught. And saying on national tv that you wil kill someone is to hang your self. :shock:
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Re: Carte Blanche

Postby johnsa » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:30 pm

Don't you think the same goes for cars? and the risk of cars on SA roads is still far more dangerous and most of the time the parents only a stressed about one thing and it is not the quality of the car or the way the driver drives.....I am not allowed to say what they worry about otherwise Morph will kill me again. So its a said story but a plane is still saver than a car ##
Thatchman wrote:I am sure that the parents will think about the fact that they allowed the daughter on the plane for the rest of their lives.

It is a scary issue though. How many times have we all taken a pax for their first flight and nobody asks how experienced you are or if the Wx is ok. People trust blindy in this regard. He has a license so it must be safe. A low hour pilot should be capable to fly but only within his limited envelope of conditions at that time.

Very sad that an innocent child paid the price for what looks like gross negligence of the worst possible kind.

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