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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:01 pm

Below excludes all non routine maintenance and finance/capex and thus depreciation. Provided the aerie is maintained it will retain it's capital value and thus we ignore these. The opportunity cost (finance) of capital is also ignored simply because it suits me and i paid less for the plane and a car at each end than a new X5 would have cost me at the time :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: . I drive an old car, but it a sacrificae I am willing to make, to make the numbers work...

Now onto the numbeers (^^) (^^) (^^) (^^)
At Feb 2008.... R550/hr all in..... Now would be slightly more due to fuel price. In 2005 the total cost per hr (actual) was R342.19, but since then the AP's have dried up, the AVGAS price has gone west and CAA are forcing us to maintain NTCA better than TCA... Today I would guestimate around R650/hr, but I do 200+ hrs a year so that "helps" with reducing hrly cost. That said it still well over a R100K a year :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: on local travel. This does however compare very favourably with the cost of driving the roughly 70'000km (6000km a month) I used to do - The speeding fines are significantly less (on 1 trip I got R4500 worth of fines :evil: :evil: :evil: Did not see 3 new 80km zones on highway next to squatter camp and 2 4 talking on fone after bluetooth headset went phlattt) and I have not had to replace a single tyre (R2'200 A POP)due to hitting pot holes - :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: .

Obviously the more hrs a year you do the "cheaper" per hr it gets, but the more cash you have to outlay - hope that makes cents... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :twisted: .
Something like this...
Direct operating costs per hr.
:arrow: Fuel and oil (R11.50l and 33l/hr) - R386.25. (I still have 1000l at this price so should see me through to Dec/Jan, then will increase again {sigh})
:arrow: Engine and prop (based on 2000hr TBO) R152.94.
:arrow: Fixed costs (Hangar, insurance etc) R123.00.
:arrow: Running costs/hr R662.19.

Again this based on 200hrs a year. At 50hrs it goes to over R1000/hr, but still well worth it IMHO....

As I said above IT DOES NOT INCLUDE CAPEX COSTS (finance) as these are "recouped" via depreciation and are considered business expenses same way as say a company delivery vehicle... The capital cost will be recouped (in theory) when the asset is sold... There is a huge tax benefit if you have taxable income, but be warned as mentioned by Sly it is simply a timing difference. SARS will get their share one day.... How long you delay it is another story :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: .

If I had to add in the cost of the aerie at 15.5% over 60 months it would increase by R721.60 per hr, and thus all in cost per hr is around R1'383.79. Say R1400, which is only slightly more than the fuel cost x 3 which many use as a rule of thumb.... (R4.44 a km which is on the high side, but compare it to an R800K car costs and it suddenly not that high - only difference is I would not buy a R800K car easily :lol: :lol: :lol: )

This is my company car...
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It does 170kts all day long (180+ when I am in a hurry see below), which is roughly 315km/h. This equates to roughly 9.45km/l, which is better than my car gives. Also remember a plane flies straight line (if pilot not pissed) and thus distance FAGM to FAVB for eg is 350km vs 415 by road.... Also time and stress saving (you could justify it all day long with list as long as you like - I have pages and pages). The plane effectively gives me 1 extra days a week which I used to spend in the car... That 4/5 days or almost 1 "extra" week a month. Before we got busy on development front, it alone justified keeping my consulting business open which paid for all the flying..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

BACK TO REALITY - IT NOT A MICROLIGHT, BUT THIS WAS NOT FAR BEHIND AND IT IS A MICROLIGHT... (Not as fast but cheaper to operate)
I have done plenty hrs on J400 series which are also not ML's but this has same engine. I would argue that possibly the J250 (the 4 seater with only 2 seats and beeeeg baggage) would be a very practical SPL/RPL xcountry tourer....
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When I am in a hurry... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Apologies for hijack. It not a microlight per se, but I do believe there are some very capable microlight class aeries and principals would remain the same. Happy to answer any questions anyone may have regarding the viability of operating an aircraft for business purposes. I been doing it for 3 years now and my old man has been doing it since 1969, legally and "successfully". I say "successfully" as it still costs huge bucks... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: but so does driving your 5 series or X5 the distances I used to.... :wink:
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Re: tax and vat

Postby Tumbleweed » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:46 pm

Maybe the beancounters can add value to this:

I was well advised not to even mention flying/ claim/ VAt inputs as they're just too sharp and there's no benefit. Rather employ this fantastic worker I reccommend highly; his name is Flyboy and for 2 grand cash a month, he will use this to fuel, maintenance, insure, hangar your plane using his own pay.

Another angle is company sponsor / donations. I was pissed off the weekend reading how the ANC now encourages 'open donations' tipping 20 billion over a weekend drive. Forget the morality issues for a sec ( and how parastatals like Telkom, Escom, councils e.t.c.to whom we contribute to stay afloat :evil: ). What is the criteria for donating/ sponsor/ tax deductions?

I watched school cricket the weekend in Nelspriut and those okes sponsor big league. Those facilities would upgrade the Wanderers and the plaque of the doner is proudly displayed.

So, why can't our little private companies just donate at end of each February to the "Dixie Flyers"?
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Re: tax and vat

Postby johnsa » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:18 pm

4ker, thanks for the answer.

Btw, I know a BMW 4.6 is just off motorplan, but than again maybe a bio diesel is cheaper?

:idea:
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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:27 pm

Tumbleweed wrote:Maybe the beancounters can add value to this:
I thought I did puff puff puff puff
Tumbleweed wrote: I was well advised not to even mention flying/ claim/ VAt inputs as they're just too sharp and there's no benefit.
Depends on your circumstances. If it in the production of income you can claim. EG
I know a farmer who gets 100% deductions as he uses his for farming activities. Been investigated and passed 100%.
Another uses his advertising budget to promote his brand on the wing. Again investigated and passed (although he needs to keep strict records and I think he was lucky)
Wild life/game counting - Fence inspections
Crowd is using gyro's and motorgliders for eskom inspections. (I think they could use GT450 as well as it well within the speed range of the Falke)

More difficult for the avg joe working for a salary to do it, but it can be done. Editor of SA flying MAG paid for all his flying by taking aerial photies of richies houses... Trike is ideal photo platform.....

It helps if you have your own company or if your company will accept invoicing from you...

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
I have a couple idea's but maybe better I don't air them on public forum :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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There are legit ways and I can tell you from experience the old CASUAL WAGES slush fund is dangeroooooos.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:28 pm

johnsa wrote:4ker, thanks for the answer.

Btw, I know a BMW 4.6 is just off motorplan, but than again maybe a bio diesel is cheaper?

:idea:

he he he...

Fit a turbine (there are some as small as 90hp) and burn bio in the trike :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: tax and vat

Postby johnsa » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:10 pm

What is your company doing?
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johnsa wrote:4ker, thanks for the answer.

Btw, I know a BMW 4.6 is just off motorplan, but than again maybe a bio diesel is cheaper?

:idea:

he he he...

Fit a turbine (there are some as small as 90hp) and burn bio in the trike :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:23 pm

johnsa wrote:What is your company doing?
I am a bean counter by profession, but was never really cut out for the audit (or corporate for that matter) world. So what started as small retirement planning exercise is now paying the bills... We develop, own and manage in the sticks where the big boys don't or won't go..... Mainly because there is no airline servicing these areas, the roads are K@k, councils are useless ($$) ($$) ($$) etc. It a small family owned operation where 1 day I am chief cook and bottle washer and next I am FD... LUVIN IT....
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Re: tax and vat

Postby johnsa » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:34 pm

Are you realtor or a company that takes care of real estate for 3rd parties?
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johnsa wrote:What is your company doing?
I am a bean counter by profession, but was never really cut out for the audit (or corporate for that matter) world. So what started as small retirement planning exercise is now paying the bills... We develop, own and manage in the sticks where the big boys don't or won't go..... Mainly because there is no airline servicing these areas, the roads are K@k, councils are useless ($$) ($$) ($$) etc. It a small family owned operation where 1 day I am chief cook and bottle washer and next I am FD... LUVIN IT....
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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:42 pm

johnsa wrote:Are you realtor or a company that takes care of real estate for 3rd parties?
We id sites, do feasibility, draw plans, make plans, source tenants, build shopping centres or stand alone's for the major nationals and then manage these thereafter in house (sometimes 1 or 2 a year depending on demand and state of economy, other times none). No 3rd parties involved. We don't play well with others :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Simplistic illustration of what we do.
Take arb dorp in middle of nowhere. Take this
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add 5 years to negotiate with the local council (ie. drink tea and talk shit with the Comrades, Tannies and Sista's every 2 weeks for 5 years) and a little imagination and you get this 9 months thereafter....

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Re: tax and vat

Postby johnsa » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:27 am

Maybe it will go faster if you giving the sisters some love......lol

So you built a supermarket for lets say Pick and Pay in a rural area and take care of it?

Do you expect the price of land to go up in SA?

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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:49 am

johnsa wrote:Maybe it will go faster if you giving the sisters some love......lol

So you built a supermarket for lets say Pick and Pay in a rural area and take care of it?

Do you expect the price of land to go up in SA?

Thanxs,

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Yip. on the development side of things... We are developers, but we own and manage after initial development rather than pass on to pension funds for eg...

Land values (like all property) are dictated by only 3 things.
1. POSITION
2. POSITION
3. POSITION...

In commercial developments especially in rural area's even more so, but demand needs to be there. That said I am not the right person to ask. We don't buy land unless we have a deal pending. We buy sites that are viable to our tenants and thus the value is dictated by the developed opportunity cost... Even fully let we battle to justify prices which would make buying land on spec in rural area's viable. Only time I have ever "lost" is buying residential.... All our developments are bank financed so we tend to be very "careful" and walk away from more than we do... :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Re: tax and vat

Postby johnsa » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:29 am

Is the interest fixed for the period of floating when you finance through the banks?
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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:59 pm

johnsa wrote:Is the interest fixed for the period of floating when you finance through the banks?
Fixed is more expensive but possible. It depends on the deal. Most are floating as it usually cheaper over the period of the loan...
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Re: tax and vat

Postby johnsa » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:22 am

RV4ker, Support staff fully tax deduct able how we love SARS
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Re: tax and vat

Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:22 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

100%. Pity mine don't look like that :( :( :( :(
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