MONETORY FINES IMPOSED BY CAA

[Asterix]

In any event - I think that thought out low flying in calm conditions is FAR safer than taking of and climbing to thousands of feet in IFR weather. The latter have killed more people over the last few years or so than a bit of low flying in known terrain, or am I wrong?

This is just more "Big Brother" trying to "in" a couple of more bucks to allow government officials (thieves) to go on stealing. Remember that government is expanding - more thieves - they need to grow the cake from whence to steal..

[Bundy]

A very sly move by the CAA...

R 10000 fine is a little steep for this type of misdemeanor? There are convicted Rapists and arsonists, fraudsters and thieves who have recieved lessor sentences than that?

The Law's that most of us abide by are very vague too, so it kind of becomes like Bryce Lawrences interpretation of the rule book... "open to debate".... and more importantly... "open to abuse"!
The CAA has failed in its mandate to create an Independant Accident Investigation Dept, as is required by Law, we all have seen how hoplessly inaccurate and flawed their Accident Reports have been in the past...how can we possibly be sure that using the same processes, their "Disciplanary Reports" will not be flawed as well? It takes two years sometimes more to get a accident report out of them, how long will these investigations take to finalise when they start getting inundated with complaints from Joe Public?

Personal vendetta's, rival aviation industries... its all going to be in the mix now..... Dont like the guy in the hanger next to you?.... No problem, just report him for something...

This will in no way benefit us as pilots and will not lead to an increase in SAFETY. More coffers to fill at the CAA...

[John Boucher]

In terms of the ARO (and quite nicely stipulated in the MOP), CAA in conjunction with RAASA have to rethink this one and the process followed.

As you have correctly identified Bundy, to reach your means by vindictive personal agendas and to convince people of authority of the so called transgressors wrong doing highlights the need to have independent expertise insight & input into the matter. We have to ward against the REPORTER or WITNESS becoming PROSECUTOR & JURY using his "PROFESSIONAL OPINION" and thus swaying the outcome of the JUDGE & SENTENCE. Consistency on the part of CAA & extenuating circumstances on the part of transgressors have to be taken into account when passing judgement and the way forward.

If the DCA is not going to be accommodating in this matter, I for one would welcome it to be challenged in a court of law! We see serious cases thrown out of court because of the authorities not being procedurally correct and this is no different I am sure!

[Hak]

Hi bundy
Sad 2 say RIVAL AVIATION JUST KINDER KAK but the weel turns

[Thatchman]

Although I think the fines are extreme, I guess they will not be a deterent unless they will actually punish you, so I am not totally against hard fines - although R5000 would serve the same purpose, or even R1000.

If I break the law without question, I say take the fine like a man.

Where I have a major problem is with piss poor and inconsistent interpretation of the law
If this is how CAA want to operate then I agree, let it go to court as we cannot allow this to happen or we may as well sell up and go fishing.

Asterix are you sure you never disturbed a cane rat with that flight of yours?

JB and your team, thanks for what you guys are doing to protect our sport.

[John Boucher]

Where I have a major problem is with piss poor and inconsistent interpretation of the law

This is a major concern.....

A serious gripe I have is when people become VINDICTIVE & SELF SERVING!

[Tumbleweed]

Also, how the witness identified and established the percieved low flying altitude complaint.

[John Boucher]

Gents, we are set to have a meeting this weekend (MISASA & AEROCLUB) and the way forward is to be discussed.

Please know that we will give you the feedback as we go along with this...

[Dobbs]

Hi John, what is the meeting about, what is on the agenda?

I note that you have not canvassed MISASA members for any issues which they would like raised.

Please not that this is not a criticism, I just believe that we need to make these meetings as constructive as possible

[John Boucher]

Kindly note that this meeting is an internal one and the agenda not for public forum discussion.. I was being courteous by informing all that it is being attended to.

I will however, call for member participation (as we have in past for meetings & AGM attendance which all MISASA members are welcome to attend) in due course.

I think we all need clarity on a multitude of issues I'm sure....

[Asterix]

Thx John

Just back from Tzaneen - spent the afternoon on a boat on Ebenhezerdam - Magoebaskloof is pretty! But eish those peaks are HIGH! And foggy!

[Barryathome]

I agree with Asterix, its about money.
Most of the regulatory reviews do not add much to flight safety but add a lot to the cash flow into official coffers.

I do remember the late Ronald Reagan remarking that: "The most terrifying words In the English language are:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
He should have lived in South Africa!

[Bundy]

Bottom line on these issues for me is the process...

I would like to see far more discussion between the CAA and the relevant ARO's with regard to disciplinary issues and allegations. It makes no sense for the CAA to "investigate" allegations of misconduct by pilots without pro actively following proper procedures that must involve the ARO in question

Without the above process, there will always be pilots who are treated unfairly in regard to alledged transgressions of the Reg's.

[John Boucher]

SPOT ON ALAN.......

As within the ARO, self regulation is a requirement... apply the rule then!! We cannot use this requirement on an ad hoc basis as prescribed by the authorities

[Dobbs]

Gents, we are set to have a meeting this weekend (MISASA & AEROCLUB) and the way forward is to be discussed.

Please know that we will give you the feedback as we go along with this...

Any feedback on this meeting?