Servicing costs ??

[Bugwar]

There was quite a bit of confusion in the beginning about converting from WCM to LSA or CCM.
Looks like they settled on 5 hours dual and 5 hours solo (min) with no exams and you have to pass a flight test.

I was at RAASA this morning

According to Pierre:

1) WCM to LSA or CCM or vice versa: 10 Hours Dual and 5 SOLO take-off and landings, exam on principles of flight. Spread sheet was mailed to schools. (Maybe they will be so kind to post it on this forum?)
2) Owner maintenance is being discussed. Decision does not lie with RAASA only, committee must decide but it looks like it is going that way.
3) Flight test as per normal to upgrade your old MPL to NPL for same category.

Must add that I was again impressed by their prompt an friendly service .

[Stephan van Tonder]

This one.

[wildthing]

Just a comment on Pauls post.

Partly correct.
The conversion requirments from CCM to WCM, WCM to CCM and LSA to WCM has now been promulgated as per the recomendations at the instructors seminaar in Jan.

10 hrs dual tarining
5 solo take offs and landings (take note not 5 hours)
Principals of flight exam
Flight test.

From WCM or CCM to LSA there is still a full series of adition training
An LSA to CCM only requires a typr rating.

The owner maintance requirment is currently being worked onthe do small maintainace like plug changes etc, there is an AIC to this effect (can't find it now) but it is not yet a regulation, hopefully it will be soon.

Will keep you posted on RAASA taking over the AP scheme.

Pierre
076 875 4722

[grosvenor]

You can do the basic service yourself. This was changed in the legislation early in the year. Your annual must still be done by an AP.

I would also like to see the official reference to this. On the Misasa website on 16 December 2008, James Pitman wrote "It appears that the question of owner maintenance of NTCA’s will also be cleared up finally once CARCOMM again meets in February 2009. (The agreement is that owners of NTCA’s may, if they choose, maintain their own aircraft, provided that such aircraft are used in terms of Part 94 only (private use) and not Part 96 (commercial use))." I have seen nothing from CAA on this issue to date, but hopefully I missed it.
Dave

[wildthing]

Hi Dave.
The issue of owner maintaimance is as follows.
Aircraft type approval
24.02.10 (1) An applicant, who requires an aircraft type approval for an
amateur-built aircraft to qualify as a production-built aircraft, shall make the
application to the Commissioner on the form prescribed in Document SA-CATSNTCA,
accompanied by –
(a) the appropriate fee as prescribed in Part 187;
(b) proof of compliance with the provisions of Regulation 24.01.2, and in
particular the Technical Standard 24.01.2.B.2;
(c) a copy of the Authority to Fly issued for the prototype aircraft; and
(d) proof that the applicant meets the requirements of Regulation 24.04.1.
(2) When the Commissioner is satisfied that –
(a) the applicant has been or may be approved as a manufacturing organisation
in terms of Regulation 24.04.1; and
(b) the aircraft will be manufactured according to the approved build
standard,
he or she shall issue a production-built aircraft type certificate on the form
prescribed in Document SA-CATS-NTCA
There are amendments in the pipeline wrt owner maintenance and owner builders maintenance, watch the Gov Gazette for details on these amendments.
Hope this clears this up.
Pierre
076 875 4722

[Morph]

This is briliant news, thanks Pierre

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Thanks guys for all the input,
Thanks to my mate " Flamgat " for the following from RAASA.

Question was about lapsed flight license,

Quote
" If no more than two years have passed with your licence lapsing, all you need to do is a skills test with an instructor. If more than two years has passed, you need to rewrite the airlaw exam ( online ), do a minimum of 3 hours dual and 3 hours solo flying and also a skills test with an instructor.

You need to complete forms CA62.02 and CA62.05 ( skills test report completed by your instructor ) and send it with a copy of your valid medical, copy of your logbook with 12 month flying summary, copy of your ID, copy of your old license and proof of payment of either R 260.00 for a 1 year renewal or R 520.00 for two year renewal.
Willem Grobbelar
Assistant Flight Operations Manager
RAASA

This sorts out a lot of the confusion we have had about renewals etc

Hope that this helps

later guys.

P.S. Thanks for all your input guys, its helped us all get a better understanding of these new regulations and of what is required and of what is not. GREAT NEWS ABOUT THE SERVICING.

[Beaver 550]

I think R650 for spark plug change is a very good price. I will not even look at it for R690.00 never mind driving to go and do it away from base being held liable for a year not knowing what the owner does to it. All you guys complaining about the cost must be able to afford you toys working for free.If you want to use an AMO you will have to hurry they closing at a rate. Just drive past your local AMO look at the cars the AME,s drive then you drive past your club and see the cars and toy's. I wonder whose prices are over the top.

[Beaver 550]

So why if i love my job do i have to charge less and not be able to have any toys. You might think changing spark plugs does not need special skills. How may owners have you seen use a torque wrench on a spark plug. I am sure the garage service your car for R50 an hour. Work out how many microlights and AP are there and see if you would be able to make a profitable business out of it charging R150 an hour.

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Hi Beaver,

We are not saying that you are not allowed to make a living, but to be fair on prices charged to fit these parts!If you were doing a major engine overhaul it would be fair to charge, but to fit 4 plugs and charge R 650.00 is in my oppinion toatally over the top !. ( if you have to drive far to get to the plane - fair enough )
I hope that the service can be done by ourselves as seen on the forum to resolve these problems.
Its not a stab at APs OR AMOs, its simply to get input and learn.

p.s. Most microlighters are not rolling in the dough, thats why we started this subject on the forum, and why we dont fly Lear jets.........

Later.

[Beaver 550]

Maybe I have the cat by the tail. Please answer the following. 1. How far did the AP have to travel. 2. Who sourced the parts. 3.Whose tools was used(calibrated once a year torque wrench...). 4.Whose consumables was used (rags, copperslip, tywraps ext...) 5. Whose facility was used. 6. How long did the job take. 8. How long did the paperwork take. 9. Who take the responsibility for signing out the the work.

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

Hi Beaver,

The plugs bought by myself, the venue would be the hangers at the airfield, the ap would be required to drive 3kms. Rags etc or sundries i dont supply ( how many rags does it take to change 4 plugs ? ). I just think that a lot of the guys in the " service side " are overcharging because its law now and its easy to do so now."no service and stamp - no fly - so pay up or you cant fly ".
I have no problem with paying a fee, we are all entitled to make a fair living, but some are making a meal of the situation at hand.
I think a lot of APs who are overcharging the flying fraternity will soon have a lot fewer " clients ".

Cheers

[Beaver 550]

Ok if he did not sign your log book he did not do the whole job R600.00 would be a better price.