AP inpections and Misasa membership

[Chunky]

Guys it is R425 per annum (Aeroclub = R215 and MISAS = R205), which equates to R35.42 per month or R1.16 per day so is it really such a problem? So far I have 2 x magazines, 1 x MISASA badge and 1 x MISASA cap as well as the support of MISASA and Aeroclub with any of the CAA legislative cr@p.

Stop the bickering, pay your bucks and throw your support behind your sport.

Ok, so R425 per year is not actually worth bickering about.....But....

A friend of mine just had his plane AP'd by an approved person here in Gauteng. This guy sure wasn't worried about being taken to court or any accountability from his side. He signed off an aircraft that was flown in with no Authority to fly. The aircraft had no first aid kit, no Fire extinguisher and,and and.... If he was so worried about the law and his accountability he would not have signed the plane out at all.

Its a money making scam. Misasa did sweat f*ck all for us, and RAASA will do the same. The R425 is just an excuse to gather some cash to pay some idiot to sit on his ass and do nothing. (Like our Govermunt)

Luckily its only R425 and not R4250 or R42500.

[KFA]

A friend of mine just had his plane AP'd by an approved person here in Gauteng. This guy sure wasn't worried about being taken to court or any accountability from his side. He signed off an aircraft that was flown in with no Authority to fly. The aircraft had no first aid kit, no Fire extinguisher and,and and.... If he was so worried about the law and his accountability he would not have signed the plane out at all.

It's because of crap like this that CAA is starting to clamp down on us. Your friend better hope CAA doesn't get wind of this.

Its a money making scam. Misasa did sweat f*ck all for us, and RAASA will do the same. The R425 is just an excuse to gather some cash to pay some idiot to sit on his ass and do nothing. (Like our Govermunt

I am sorry to say, but you do not know what you are saying. Misasa and the Aeroclub have worked their arses of to get this new legislation workable. If it wasn't for them we would not be able to govern ourselves. RAASA is not here to do anything for you, MISASA is. RAASA is only the controlling body,handling the lisences etc, MISASA still has to do the fighting for us. The only difference is that we do not work through CAA now but through RAASA.

[Tumbleweed]

The aircraft had no first aid kit, no Fire extinguisher and,and and.... If he was so worried about the law and his accountability he would not have signed the plane out at all.

Did'nt know this was a precondition for a ATF? Maybe he's just not up to speed regarding Raasa. I'm sure he can still operate but will not enjoy the cover and backing.

Read up on that claim in the UK against an AP whom the authorities turned their backs on believing he was negligent when dependant's of a fatality took him on. Very sad.

Can only benefit himself.

[Stephan van Tonder]

RAASA = CAA basically. They don't 'do' anything for you except adminster your license and paperwork and perhaps in a while renewing your ATF.
Misasa / Aeroclub is the people that fight to get reasonable regulation and not over regulation of your lovely sport. They fight stuff like the 300 hour overhaul, the issue of must have a transponder on your aircraft etc.etc. If we don't support them CAA can simply implement more and more regulation till none of us can afford to take to the air.

Items like your fire extinguiser, medical aid kit and strips is required by the CAA ramp check list and has nothing to do with the airworthiness of your airplane. It's not going to fall apart in the air without it. The hardware items that make your plane safe and stay in the air is what your AP is looking at. If he is negligent in that department - thus signing it out with frayed cables, Missing safety cables, torn sail etc.etc. THEN you must complain about his service.

He is also not a 'policeman' so you 'illegally' flying an aircraft is not his concern or would you rather he phone the CAA and report you instead of inspecting your aircraft and signing it out. Having your paperwork legal is your responsibility - he is there to make sure it is safe to fly.
One day when Misasa has disappeared and you have to fight through even more paperwork than currently then eveybody will complain that nobody stopped all of that and then be willing to spend more than the current R425 per year. Too late then.
Oh yes - if you want to make sure that there isn't just a bundle of guys sitting doing nothing - why not join them and assist?

[Chunky]

Ok, I hear what you are saying.

I am going to join RAASA, not out of choice but because we have to. I am glad its only R425 because I really dont see any benifit, but hopefully that changes.

As far as transponders and the 300 hour rule is concerned, I dont think any of that is a bad thing. At the end of the day its only going to make it safer for everyone. Sure, some of the items are a little expensive but the cost of someones life is much more. I would rather fit a transponder thanks.

[Wargames]

I am going to join RAASA, not out of choice but because we have to

As far as I understand it, you cannot join RAASA!!

Your options is Aeroclub & || MISASA!!

[Stephan van Tonder]

I'll say again - RAASA = CAA you don't join CAA do you? - same way as you won't join RAASA.
Aeroclub/Misasa actually represent your interest 'against' RAASA or CAA on the CARCOM or will work with them to get to a mutual agreement on issues/legislation. Think of RAASA/CAA as the 'government' and Aeroclub/misasa as a 'union'.

[Conrad]

No where can I go,
where somebody have enough technical knowledge and understanding of what the Topless wing really is.
who really has the Authority To Say that I can have an ATF on a 582 been flown with a Topless wing?

[Stephan van Tonder]

The CAA. Have you approached Misasa with your problem Conrad?.

[Slabfish]

Stephan ,I must complement you with sharing your knowledge in such a professional way, being patient and diplomatic is not always easy.Hope I have the pleasure of meeting you sometime. Well done

[Smiley]

I'll say again - RAASA = CAA you don't join CAA do you? - same way as you won't join RAASA.
Aeroclub/Misasa actually represent your interest 'against' RAASA or CAA on the CARCOM or will work with them to get to a mutual agreement on issues/legislation. Think of RAASA/CAA as the 'government' and Aeroclub/misasa as a 'union'.

I think there are a lot of people that would join MISASA if they understood better what the importance of MISASA is for us every day casual flyers.

Until recently I did not belong to MISASA as I just did not know the fights they are fighting to keep aviation a life and cheap to us.

Has a discussion with Robert, understood the problem, and joined MISASA the following day.

Maybe as a suggestion MISASA should go from airfield to airfield and give us the facts face to face...? This could help bring in new memberships...?

If we love free flight we must join!!

[nicow]

Where's the Duck...? Do'nt think-just fly!!!